Are you aware of the National Defense Authorization act?


Are you aware of the National Defense Consent act?

If the National Defense Consent Act clears the House and is not vetoed by President Obama, None of us will be safe. And you won’t be given access to a trial or a lawyer. The media is not telling the public about this bill, which means you have to, before your right to speak out disappears. Tell everyone. This cannot be allowed to stand. This is still the United States of America. They’ve crafted a bill that turns America’s military against its own people and suspends habeas corpus. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtube_gdata_player&v=-6ThanSzG_w

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Yes, I posted a question wondering how conservatives, w/ the support of all conservative Democrats, and some others, could justify illegally eliminating Article 3, Section 3 from the Constitution without an amendment. The response was basically that since it hasn’t been on Rush it isn’t happening, and a lot of incoherent conservative babble.

People can also look at Glenn Greenwald’s blog for in rank on it.

Nope. Care to clarify it to me? :D


Why are there 5 versions of the House Defense Bill? Which one is most likely?

H.R. 5122 has five versions. Which one will pass, and what are the distinctions? What about the things in these versions that don’t match S.2507?

Thanks for some guidance, I’m interested in the 40 year pay chart that only appears in “John Warner National Defense Consent Act for Fiscal Year 2007 (Engrossed Amendment as Agreed to by Senate)[H.R.5122.EAS]”

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5 opinions,, John Warner’s
Neddie has no thought what she is on about..or on for that matter


Why did Bush eliminate the Posse Comitatus Act? Why is he paving the road for a dictatorship in the USA?…..

“Paradoxically, preserving liberty may require the rule of a single leader–a dictator–willing to use those dreaded ‘extraordinary measures,’ which few know how, or are willing, to use.” — Michael Ledeen, White House advisor and fellow of the American Enterprise Institute, “Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli’s Iron Rules Are As Timely and Vital Today As Five Centuries Ago”

“Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.” — NewsMax, November 21, 2003

In October 2006, Bush signed into law the John Warner National Defense Consent Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Quietly slipped into the law at the last minute, at the request of the Bush handing out, were sections changing vital legal principles, dating back 200 years, which limit the U.S. government’s ability to use the military to intervene in domestic affairs. These changes would allow Bush, whenever he thinks it necessary, to institute martial law–under which the military takes direct control over civilian handing out.

Sec. 1042 of the Act, “Use of the Armed Forces in Major Public Emergencies,” effectively overturns what is known as posse comitatus. The Posse Comitatus Act is a law, passed in 1878, that prohibits the use of the regular military within the U.S. borders. The original passage of the Posse Comitatus Act was a very reactionary go that sealed the betrayal of Black people after the Civil War and brought the period of Reconstruction to an end. It decreed that federal troops could no longer be used inside the former Confederate states to enforce the new legal rights of Black people. Black people were turned over to the armed police and Klansmen serving the southern plantation owners, and the long period of Jim Crow started.

During the 20th century, posse comitatus neutrally started to play a new role within the bourgeois democratic framework: as a legal barrier to the direct influence of the powerful military establishment and the armed forces over domestic U.S. society. It served to some degree as an obstacle against military coups and presidents seizing military control over the country. (But, National Guard troops have been legally available to the ruling class for use inside the U.S., and there have been other loopholes to the prohibition of the use of armed forces internally, as in the mobilization of Marine troops during the 1992 L.A. Rebellion.)

So the changes to posse comitatus signed into law by Bush are extremely noteworthy and ominous. Bush has modified the main exemptions to posse comitatus that up to now have been primarily defined by the Civil disobedience Act of 1807. Previously the president could call out the army in the United States only in cases of civil disobedience or conditions where “rebellion against the authority of the United States, make it impossible to enforce the laws of the United States in any State or Territory by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings.” Under the new law the president can use the military in response to a natural disaster, a disease outbreak, a terrorist attack or “other condition in which the President determines that domestic violence has occurred to the extent that state officials cannot maintain public order.”

The new law requires the President to say Congress “as soon as practicable after the determination and every 14 days thereafter during the duration of the exercise of the authority.” But Bush, as he has often done during his presidency, modified this condition in his signing statement, which declared, “The executive branch shall construe such provisions in a manner consistent with the President’s constitutional authority to withhold in rank the disclosure of which could impair foreign relations, the national security, the deliberative processes of the Executive.” In other words, Bush claims that he does not even need to inform Congress that martial law has been declared!

Changing Role of Military Within the U.S.

This major change in the criteria under which martial law can be declared is a prolongation of a process, begun after 9/11, to dismantle legal barriers to unreserved executive, presidential powers.

In 2002, the government made the new Northern Command. This is the first time since the Civil War that the U.S. military has been given an operational command inside the continental United States.

In 2005, the Washington Post reported that Northcom had developed battle plans for martial law in the U.S. One secret document, CONPLAN 2005, envisions 15 different scenarios where these plans could go into effect.

The U.S. has also used natural disasters like Katrina to push for an increased role for the military. According to the Washington Post, Bush advisor Karl Rove told the governor of Louisiana that she should explore legal options to impose martial law “or as close as we can get.”

Spying by the military against U.S. persons, also supposedly prohibited, has greatly expanded in recent years. Counterintelligence Field Activity (CIFA) was made in 2002 supposedly to evaluate threats against Department of Defense installations. But, a secret 400-page document obtained by MSNBC revealed that CIFA had spied on more than 1500 “suspicious incidents” during a ten-month period, including a meeting of Quakers to plot a protest of military recruiting at local high schools and an anti-war protest in Los Angeles.

James Risen has exposed in the New York Times and in his book State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Handing out that the National Security Agency, which is under the Department of Defense, has been used in a massive campaign of illegal spying of U.S. citizens, including tapping phone calls and monitoring bank and financial records and the internet. (See Revolution #35, “Spies, Lies, Thugs and Torture.”)

In 2006, the Military Commissions Act was passed which, in addition to legalizing torture, allows the president and military courts to declare anyone an enemy combatant without basic civil rights like habeas corpus.

Plans for massive detention centers are already being prepared. Pacific News Service reported that in early 2006, Kellogg Brown and Root (KBR) received a $ 385 million contract from the Department of Homeland Security to build detention and processing facilities to be used “in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S. or to support the rapid development of new programs.”

Would They Really Go That Far?

The Bush Regime’s provision for martial law are part of an extreme agenda. This is a regime that is setting out to make a world empire that is obvious and unchallengeable and has embarked on an endless war to bring this about. Along with this, they aim to reform social relations in the U.S., doing away with many of the social and economic institutions that have characterized U.S. society since World War 2. Because of this extreme agenda, the Bush regime takes very seriously the possibility of jolts and ruptures and resistance and are preparing very extreme measures to deal with this.

On February 27, 1933, a fire broke out in the Reichstag (government) building in Germany. The next day Hitler and his Minister of the Interior Hermann Goering drafted the Reichstag Fire Decree, which suspended civil liberties and gave the central government total power. The decree was signed into law within days. After that point, opposition to Hitler became MUCH more hard.

In the U.S. today, extreme measures much like the Reichstag Fire Decree are already being place into place–making it even more urgent that a determined struggle be waged to drive out the Bush regime and reverse this perilous trajectory.

http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=117&a=1431

http://www.towardfreedom.com/home/content/view/911/

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Posse_Comitatus_Act

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57219

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060424&articleId=2323

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46909

http://www.sandersresearch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1009

http://www.newsfrombabylon.com/topics/posse_comitatus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbvg_B2KCf8&feature=RecentlyWatched&page=1&t=t&f=b

if you don’t want to read all of this, just watch the youtibe videos.
The videos are of tv news reports, not made up conspiracy theories.
I know what the posse comitatus act is, that was just a part of the question. Martial law would make the president a dictator, because of the executive orders that Bush has made. He gave himself dictatorial powers, in the event of a terrorist attack, natural disaster, or anything that the president decides merits martial law – he has complete discretion over does or doesn’t merit martial law.

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George W Bush is an revulsion to every living creature on the earth, both fantastic and small, and an embarrassment to America and the excellent name of democracy. This man should have been driven out of Washington years ago.
any body can post any thing on you tube..no thanks but I will get my news and in rank from reliable sources
I agree. The executive branch has been given practically unlimited power and with very limited oversight due to the secrecy factor. The “war on terror” is being used to ruin the U.S. from the inside and people feel it is patriotic to allow this and to completely trust their leadership with their basic rights. This is a Republic, based on preexisting laws and these laws can not be discarded by anyone. People need to wise up and smell the muck that is being presented to us in the guise of being for our own excellent.
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Me, Osama Bush Laden, just cant read all dat

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Comments

  1. Fedup says:

    Most certainly he is making way for a dictatorship who can trash the Constitution and ruin the USA by making the North American Union.

  2. Paul I says:

    without question the constitution as we know it is being dismantled a piece at a time allowing a avery cenyralized govt with ultimate authority to take its place.It amazes me that many cant see this

  3. GIOSTORMUSN says:

    You obviously have never read the Posse Comitatus Act is. This act prohibits the military to function as a law enforcement entity in civil matters. Simple translation, military cannot be used as police to enforce civil laws. That is why the border isn’t militarized, and that is why the military isn’t acting as the police in your city. Having the ability to activate the military to aid in emergencies like natual disaters makes it simpler for humanitarian aid to be given to local municipalities. Yes the military did help during the disaster from the hurricane Katrina, but that aid was very limited in scope, and could not include law enforcement powers. National guard can be called upon by a governor of a state for disasters also. The concept of wanting the military to aid the local civilian population in times of emergency isn’t anything new, but this gives the president power to use the military with less beaurcratic red tape to use the military for that purpose. In all your statements, you haven’t shown anything that violates the Posse Comitatus Act.

  4. John B says:

    The president now signs laws that the congress didn’t make and send to him for his signature? That’s a new one. Have you read the constitution lately? Ever?

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